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Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2011.03.09 16:20:00 - [1] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 09/03/2011 16:21:03 Assuming the information can be verified, every player on that list needs to be permabanned.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2011.03.10 12:04:00 - [2] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 10/03/2011 12:05:03 Originally by: dexington Originally by: LHA Tarawa It is NOT illegal to do legal things with stolen data, if you took no part in the inital crime of stealing the data. If the iskbank costomers are not breaking any law they are protected by eu law, and it would not be legal for CCP use data given to iskbank without the consent of the comstomer. Under EU law it's illegal for two companies two share customer data without the customer knowing and agree to this. Actually, under EU law ISKBank are legally responsible for safeguarding their customer data. I'm reasonably sure that since they got hacked and non-authorised people had access to the data, then it could be argued that they have failed in that repsonsibility and could be sued. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2011.03.14 13:55:00 - [3] Originally by: Whitehound Edited by: Whitehound on 13/03/2011 20:59:03 Originally by: PsychoBabe Argument won right there... if CCP would indeed use any of these funds lost to RMTers on this ground breaking idea of beer in pizza they have my full support. No. It is about cheating and it is a principle that one does not punish when there is no victim. You only understand half of what is being written here. If you cheat then it does not automatically need a punishment. This is the part you had to understand, but you failed. RMT is victimless? Consider this: Botting deforms the economy by increasing the money-supply. This in turn makes prices higher, meaning that everyone has to spend more effort acquiring goods. Therefore, when RMT companies sell botted-ISK everyone is a victim. Also, if you buy ISK (matter how that ISK was originally produced) you're gaining an advantage. That means that everyone else is at a disdvantage. Again, there are your victims. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2011.03.14 14:25:00 - [4] Originally by: dexington Originally by: Rodj Blake Botting deforms the economy by increasing the money-supply. This in turn makes prices higher, meaning that everyone has to spend more effort acquiring goods. I believed that isk farmers would make a higher then normal supply of mining materials, and would'nt lower ore prices just mean lower prices on most manufactured goods? Doesn't a lot of botting involve shooting NPCs or doing courier missions though? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2011.03.14 14:44:00 - [5] Originally by: Whitehound The information is useless unless CCP takes their time to take a look at it. Which implies that the information is useful if CCP does take a look at it. Quote: And if they do what shall CCP do with a list of player names who just want to play EVE?Ban them all? You seem to be confusing "just wanting to play Eve" with "violating the EULA." And yes, if someone has violated the EULA by buying ISK from a third-party with RL cash then they should be banned. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2011.03.14 14:51:00 - [6] Originally by: Whitehound Originally by: Rodj Blake Consider this: Botting deforms the economy by increasing the money-supply. This in turn makes prices higher, meaning that everyone has to spend more effort acquiring goods. What stops you from mining asteroids and selling your own products in order to make use of the higher prices? Is this not what you already do? And player who shoot your ships cause you damage, too. Are they making you a victim and shall be banned, too? You are thinking too much inside the sandbox. Instead, realise that it is not about the sandbox, but about making a business over CCP's business, which is causing them costs in return. The difference is that when I mine, rat or run missions I do so according to the limitations of my own body (ie I have to eat, excrete, work and sleep) and the EULA. Similarly, I have no problem with other players shooting me (indeed, many have over the years!) as long as they do so within the terms of the EULA. It's a bit like not having a problem with the other team scoring a goal in a football match unless they've smuggled a twelth player onto the pitch or used their hands. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2011.03.14 16:50:00 - [7] Originally by: Whitehound Edited by: Whitehound on 14/03/2011 16:39:45 Originally by: Pesky LaRue Yes, it does. They broke the EULA, they should get banned. No, this is not a justification. All you are saying is that you understand the EULA and its implications. It still does not say why thousands of players need to be banned. For example, if someone is being caught repeatedly running bots, then you can say that his or her activity causes a much higher load on the server than the activities of other players. Because every player pays the same subscription amount does everyone deserve the same amount of CPU time. If then a player's activity is much higher than the average do the subscription costs become unjustified for the rest of the players. Many players will have to pay extra for the activity of a single player in order to keep the game free from lag and to maintain the server. You may not see an increased subscription fee, but you might get less content with the next expansion, because some staff needs to go after bots. If an athlete takes steroids and gets caught, he gets banned. It's the same here. You're welcome to disagree with me of course and claim that Ben Johnson should have kept his Olypmic gold because his infraction was "victimless." Quote: A list on the Internet with thousands of player names and some Dollar sum is not a justification. It is one sick joke and one can only be happy not to be on this list. The list itself isn't justification for bans. But it is justification for an investigation - which could then lead to bans. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2011.03.14 17:08:00 - [8] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 14/03/2011 17:09:45 Originally by: Whitehound Originally by: Rodj Blake If an athlete takes steroids and gets caught, he gets banned. This is also where the dilemma starts. If the steroids were taken on accident, because they were contained in some innocent product, then you do sometimes get to see athletes being banned regardless of it. Especially in spectator sports, where the athletes are all professionals, does it add to the drama. I agree that if a player can demonstrate that they accidentally bought ISK from a dodgy company while trying to buy some books from Amazon.com that they should be shown some clemency. I don't think that anyone is claiming that's what happened though. Quote: So why do you so desperately need to see thousands of players banned from the when you do not have proof of their guilt? Read what I wrote. There should be an investigation before anyone is banned. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2011.03.14 18:46:00 - [9] Originally by: Whitehound Originally by: Rodj Blake Read what I wrote. There should be an investigation before anyone is banned. And why does it need an investigation of a list full of player names? Maybe to confirm that the player has actually done something against the EULA? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2011.03.15 13:53:00 - [10] Originally by: Whitehound Originally by: Ingvar Angst Why are you trying to separate this into different things when it's all the same? It is not all the same. You can break a rule in a game, like taking too many cards of a stack in a game of cards. You then are only playing the game wrong, because you broke a rule. And if people think that you knowingly did it, they probably won't want to play with you again. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.

Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2011.03.15 16:56:00 - [11] Originally by: Whitehound Originally by: Rodj Blake And if people think that you knowingly did it, they probably won't want to play with you again. Could be if they cry a lot. That doesn't even make sense. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2011.03.16 11:53:00 - [12] Originally by: Whitehound PS: Cakes are delicious. PIE is better. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2011.03.16 12:15:00 - [13] Whitehound's badly thought out arguments have been pretty successful in keeping the thread bumped, which in turn has raised awareness of the issue. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.

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